Ditching Diet Culture: Embracing Joyful Eating and Body Positivity in Midlife Wellness Journeys

Are you tired of the endless cycle of diets that promise results but leave you feeling worse about your body? Join host Heather Carey on this enlightening episode of Real Food Stories as she sits down with Joanne Edinburgh, a certified eating psychology coach, to explore the transformative journey of making peace with our bodies and embracing joyful eating—an essential part of the anti-diet philosophy. Together, they delve into the pervasive influence of diet culture and how it shapes our relationship with food, particularly for women navigating the complexities of midlife.

Joanne candidly shares her personal food journey, revealing how her struggles with food allergies and the pressures of dieting led to a damaging mindset where foods were unfairly categorized as ‘good’ or ‘bad’. This episode emphasizes the psychological aspects of eating, shedding light on how stress can disrupt digestion and metabolism, and ultimately impact our overall well-being. With insights from Heather’s culinary nutrition expertise, listeners will gain valuable nutrition advice and healthy eating tips that promote a more compassionate approach to food.

As the conversation unfolds, Joanne highlights the importance of being present during meals and practicing self-compassion to combat negative feelings surrounding body image and weight. Both women agree that societal pressures and diet culture significantly contribute to the struggles many women face regarding body image, especially during the transformative years of midlife. This episode is not just about food; it’s about fostering a sense of community and personal growth as we navigate our unique paths toward a healthier relationship with food.

Listeners will walk away with actionable strategies for overcoming food confusion and embracing a sustainable, joyful eating lifestyle. From mindful eating practices to understanding the impact of hormonal changes on nutrition, this episode is packed with wisdom that empowers women to reclaim their health and happiness. Tune in to discover how you can ditch the diet myths, nurture your body, and celebrate your personal food stories in a culture that often complicates our relationship with food.

Join us on this journey of empowerment, where we challenge the status quo of diet culture and encourage women to embrace their midlife wellness with confidence. Whether you’re seeking to improve your nutrition for perimenopause, explore mediterranean diet insights, or simply want to learn more about cooking for health, this episode is a treasure trove of inspiration. Don’t miss out on this opportunity to redefine your relationship with food and yourself!

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Transcript:

Speaker #0
Well, hello, everybody, and welcome back. And if you are just tuning in with me for the very first time, it’s so nice to meet you. And I’m really glad you’re here with me today. I am your host, Heather Carey, nutritionist, chef, mom, and a woman who has been around the block with food. I want to open up about real food in relation to health, weight, and our bodies so you can make peace with what you eat. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the Real Food Stories podcast. Today, I wanted to share a really meaningful conversation I had with Joanne Edinburgh, who is a certified eating psychology coach. If you can imagine, Joanne believes in looking at making peace with our bodies and finding the joy in eating as a way to lasting change with our weight and what we choose to nourish ourselves with. As you can also probably imagine, Joanne and I are very much in agreement with this anti-diet philosophy. And we hope that if you struggle with your weight and being on and off diets, that our conversation can help you make peace with what you eat. So take a listen to my conversation with Joanne Edinburgh.

Speaker #1
Hi, everybody, and welcome back. to the podcast. Today I have with me Joanne Edinburgh, who is a certified eating psychology coach with Body Wisdom Nutrition.

Speaker #0
Joanne received a bachelor’s in psychology from Tufts University and a master’s in social work from Boston University. She helps health conscious women transform from feeling stressed to feeling relaxed about food, weight, and body image, so they can focus their time and energy on what truly nourishes them. She coaches clients to find the inner wisdom to transform challenges with weight and body image into powerful opportunities for personal growth. Joanne is on a mission to help women end the quest for the perfect diet and the perfect body. Welcome to the podcast, Joanne. I’m so excited to have you here today because I know we have a lot in common just with our views and perspectives on how we work with women and… their issues around weight and body image and how they feel about themselves. And I know that we were talking off air last week, and I know that you have a personal story around your own history with weight and body image and diets. And I think that that’s what got you sort of into this field of work. So let’s start with your story and go from there.

Speaker #1
Okay, well, thank you so much for having me. This really is my passion to talk about these issues. And yeah, I guess for me, things really started in terms of affecting my relationship with food. When I was in my late 20s, I had a lot of allergies, and I just moved to Seattle. And I was on various allergy medications, and they’d work for a while, and then they wouldn’t, and then I’d be on another one. was really feeling in my gut, like, I need to figure out what’s actually going on underneath and not just treating the symptoms. And I worked with a chiropractor and he had me do some testing on my food sensitivities. And it turned out there were quite a few that I was very sensitive to, all the big ones, you know, eggs, dairy, wheat, and a bunch of other ones. So I ended up cutting a lot of foods out of my diet and actually had a lot of success in overcoming my allergies. And so I really saw the power of food and how that plays into our health. And yet on the other side of that coin, I think was really when my, like I said, my relationship with food really took a turn for the worse because I started seeing food as the enemy. you know, that there were good foods and bad foods. And if I ate the good foods, everything was fine. But when I ate the quote unquote bad foods or unhealthy foods or foods that weren’t good for me, I started being, you know, going into that eat guilt shame cycle. And I was very stressed about eating and eating was no longer pleasurable. And And… Then, you know, I had issues with my kids, my son having eczema and seeing a naturopath who told me that, oh, it’s about what you’re eating because I was only nursing him at the time. And so there was a lot of stress around that. And so I had this perspective for quite a while. And then when I went into perimenopause and started gaining some weight, which many of us do, you know, solely focused on, okay, what am I eating? What’s going on? I’m going to figure this out. And when I did my training at the Institute for the Psychology of Eating, which was about 10 years ago, I think I had a lot of ahas because so much of our digestion and our metabolism has to do with whether we’re relaxed or whether we’re stressed. And we actually can’t metabolize or digest our food optimally unless we’re in a relaxation state. So I figured out a lot of things for myself and started to really focus on all the other things that affect how we eat and how we eat, when we eat, where we eat, why we eat, all the other things in our lives that are stressors. And that had a huge impact on my own health and relationship. with food and becoming a coach. Now I work with other women to focus on that as well, because I think those are all the missing pieces. You know, we’re so focused on what we’re eating and it is important, as I said, but there’s so many other things that impact how things work in our bodies, both physically and mentally and emotionally. So, yeah.

Speaker #0
Yeah. I mean, great point that, you know, starting to classify foods into healthy foods, unhealthy foods, good foods, bad foods. I can’t have that. I can’t have this. And then if you, you know, if you waver a little bit and God forbid you have an egg when the chiropractor said you were sensitive to eggs. And I mean, then, you know, and right. And you, and you mentioned the eat guilt, shame cycle. I want to talk a little bit more about that next, but it does, it is stressful, right? Then food becomes incredibly stressful. What are we supposed to eat? I mean, that’s the number one question I get from everybody. I’m so confused about food. Just tell me what to eat. What am I supposed to eat? Because food is confusing. And then it reverberates, right? It starts in our digestion. We’re stressed in our brain and it slows everything down, right? Our cortisol gets raised and then suddenly we can’t really digest food like we want to. And then you have… digestive issues. And I mean, it’s just really, it’s, it does start with having a healthy relationship with food.

Speaker #1
Yes. Yes. And, you know, I think it’s, it’s so, it’s just so interesting, that whole process that happens and stress itself has such an impact on how things are absorbed in the body that you could be eating the quote unquote, healthiest food in the world. And if you’re eating under stress, if you’re eating really fast, if you’re not paying attention, if you have all sorts of thoughts about what you’re eating, it doesn’t really, it’s not really going to do you the good that you think it’s doing. And you can eat foods that supposedly are unhealthy and, you know, be in a very calm environment, being with people you really enjoy, being very mindful of what you’re doing and might not really have that negative effect that you think it might have on your body. So. there’s both sides of that as well.

Speaker #0
Right. Exactly. So you mentioned that, you know, you went to see the chiropractor, he’s put you on, it sounds like maybe you did food sensitivity testing, but it was kind of like a diet, right? Suddenly you have to restrict food, stop eating things that you probably liked. And, and it sounds like it was helpful, but I think you and I probably both know, I mean, diets are short-lived and not, you know, so why do you think that it sounds like it it sounds like you went to the chiropractor and it worked for a while until it didn’t work right because it it you develop some other like behavioral things or thoughts about food so why do you think that a lot of diet programs just fail i mean i i know i i just it’s the one thing i tell my clients i mean everyone comes to me on loop with a history of dieting and that’s how they sometimes think that that’s how you should be eating You’re either on a diet, you’re off a diet. It’s just diet is just the thing that’s in there, you know, because they’re so used to doing that. And so and you’re not really supposed to be enjoying food and you’re. you know, if you’re enjoying food, you’re cheating, you know, or,

Speaker #1
or,

Speaker #0
you know, so why do you, why do you think that, I mean, I think there’s this endless conflict around diets, but what do you think about just dieting in general?

Speaker #1
Yeah. I mean, I’m pretty much on the anti-diet bandwagon at this point, I’ve come full circle and, you know, when, when it comes to calorically restrictive diets. They absolutely don’t work in the long term because Yes, you can lose weight in the short term by limiting your calories or how much you eat or how much energy you’re taking in. But in the end, your body is meant to survive and it is going to fight back tooth and nail. And it does not like to be starved. And if you’re not eating enough, it will start conserving energy. And, you know, the more you do that, the yo-yo dieting just makes it harder and harder to actually lose weight. So. It’s a very poor strategy for weight loss. And in terms of other types of diets or restrictive eating, which might not be calorically restrictive, I think any time that you are restricting and depriving yourself, again, the body is going to fight that because we don’t like that. We don’t like to be deprived of anything psychologically, mentally, anything that you. I mean, we know this, like we have a huge need for autonomy, right? We want to be able to decide things. And when we’re at any level being told we can’t do something, we’re going to fight that. And so there’s a huge amount of power in food, in this case, when we can’t have it. And that’s all we focus on. That’s all we want. And if we can kind of let that go and relax more about what we can and cannot eat. I think that power goes away. And that’s what I found. I’ve become much less restrictive about my diet. I don’t deny myself anything, actually. And people get really scared of that because they think I’ll never be able to stop. And I think the underlying issue is that we’ve lost trust in ourselves. We don’t trust ourselves to know what we can or we cannot eat or do. And. I think that’s the really crucial point of working on our relationship with food is getting back to trusting ourselves. Because if we’re constantly looking to the outside, outside experts or other people to tell us what’s best for us, you know, we’re never going to get to what individually is best for us. Because just because it works for some people doesn’t mean it works for everyone. And I think. We’re all unique individuals. That’s why so many different ways of eating, quote unquote, work for so many different people. And they’re opposite types of diets, you know, from vegetarian or vegan to the carnivore diet. People that eat all of those diets do really well. Some people do. So we need to figure out for us individually what’s best. And I think that’s a process of experimentation. and being curious, like shifting out of that mindset of being judgmental and like, I need to fix my body and there’s something wrong with me to, okay, let’s just get curious and try to figure out, I wonder what would happen if I, you know, ate this particular way or eat this type of food or in this environment, you know, really exploring that in a very compassionate way, I think is really the key. Like for me, that’s what helped me transform. my relationship with food and get to the point where I actually enjoy food. Actually, food is meant to be enjoyed. I mean, it’s meant to nourish us. We can’t live without food. So coming to a place where we can feel good about it and not feel guilty about everything we eat is really important. And not that it’s easy, because all the messaging that we’re getting from the diet industry and the weight loss industry. And just in general, all the messages we’re getting are telling us the opposite, that we can’t trust ourselves, that we need to do these things and that health equals weight, which absolutely is not true. All the research shows us that that is not the case, but there are huge industries that are making a lot of money on these ideas. So. It’s very hard to be swimming in this diet culture and not feel. you know, of course, we’re going to feel like we can’t trust ourselves, because we’re getting those messages daily, constantly, everywhere.

Speaker #0
Yeah. So when diet culture is so enmeshed in most women’s lives that yeah, you really are like swimming against the tide, you know, to just say, I like food, I enjoy food. It’s almost radical. I I mean, sometimes not, you know, to. to hear women, especially in midlife, I think, talk about how they like, just like food. And I think, you know, what diets get us to a point where we don’t trust ourselves, right? You mentioned that before that they’re like, we lose trust in ourselves, because you start to question, you know, with the, well, if I’m not following that diet, then what am I? How am I eating? It’s called like using your intuition, right? And using really Bye. It’s an inside job. It’s not like this external, like dieting. But the women in midlife, and this has been my experience, they’re gaining weight. You know, they’re like kind of gaining some mystery weight. Not everybody, but you know, this is who I usually say. And it feels very out of their control because they used to be able to fix things with with. quick diets or, you know, when you’re in your thirties, you had to, I don’t know, spend a day or two, just not eating a dessert,

Speaker #1
you know,

Speaker #0
and you can like lose five pounds. Now, all of a sudden, you know, that’s just not the case. Our bodies are different and it feels out of control. And, and I wonder if, if the one thing that they can control that most women can control is to say like, I’m not going to. I’m not eating gluten anymore. I’m not going to eat dairy because I heard that, you know, dairy was really bad for me. And as a way to just kind of fix their body, what are your thoughts on that about women in midlife and struggling with gaining weight and feeling that out of control feeling?

Speaker #1
Yeah. Yeah. I totally can relate to that. You know, I’m 59. I’m in menopause now, post-menopausal. and um i guess my philosophy is that everything happens for a good reason like the body always does what it needs to do and so there’s a problem there’s always a good reason for our body changing and first of all thinking that gaining weight during that period of time is a bad thing and a negative thing is you know part of the issue right? I mean, that’s what we’re being told, but is that really true? For me personally, and many people I know, I weigh more than I’ve weighed in my whole life. And I feel better than I’ve ever felt on every level, you know, physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually. So I try to focus with my clients on how do you feel? And what makes you feel good? And so, you know, that assumption that gaining weight is a bad thing is the first thing. Secondly, there could be many, many, many reasons why we put on extra weight. You know, if it is actually, you know, a bad thing, which I’m questioning that. But, you know, weight can represent so many things. And stress is a big piece of it. Thank you. You know, it may be that we’re at this time of our life in our lives where we’re not taking care of everyone else anymore. Like our kids are older if we have kids or we’re focusing more on ourselves. Maybe we have a little bit more time for ourselves. So things are kind of coming to the surface, right? Anything that causes stress can impact our metabolism. So, you know, maybe it’s the job that you’ve been in for a long time that really isn’t serving you anymore. Maybe it’s a relationship. that your energy can be held in that belly area, you know, unexpressed emotions, sexual energy, creative energy. So from my perspective, it’s just our body giving us a message that it’s something that we can focus on. You know, all of those areas, all the things in our lives that may or may not be serving us. And again, You know, for me, the point is not. Weight loss is not the focus with the work that I do with my clients. Again, it’s focusing on what feels good. Do you feel good? And so doing all of the things that bring you joy, that bring you nourishment, whether it’s food or otherwise, that make you happy, that gives you a sense of purpose. That’s really what I focus on. But yeah, I think it’s an interesting question, honestly. I think maybe there’s a good reason why we gain weight at this time in our lives. I mean, I think that’s definitely a possibility, right? When we get to the end of our lives, when, if we get sick or, you know, most people that are a lot older tend to not, you know, eat as much. So maybe things shift at that point. You know, you want to have extra weight on you though, if you get sick and something goes wrong. Being really frail when you’re ill is not a good thing, right? There’s definitely research that shows that having extra weight versus being too thin is better for your health, better for your longevity, better for recovery from surgery. So, I mean, a lot of it, I think, is just shifting the mindset around this issue rather than being so worried about it. And again. the worry causes stress, which just exacerbates the problem.

Speaker #0
Yeah,

Speaker #1
I don’t know what you think.

Speaker #0
No, I totally I get all that you’re saying. I think this is a conundrum that I don’t know, it has like a has a clear solution to it, because there’s the anti aging industry. You know, that says you are not, you know, women are not supposed to age. Like we’re, we’re just supposed to, you know, Botox it out, you know, surgery, whatever. And then there’s just dozens of diets, you know, for women in midlife and menopause and, and supplements and powders and shakes. And I mean, it’s just, it all says something’s wrong with you and you need fixing. So it’s a hard. message, I think, to send to a lot of women that to just say, like, just feel good about yourself, or it’s okay to have extra weight when you’ve been when you have been fed messages your entire life that being overweight is bad. I need to go on my next diet, whatever the messages are, you know, that we are broken and need to be fixed. So I think midlife is a is a particularly hard time. because we are also going through so many changes. Maybe we might be up denesting. We have aging parents that we are concerned about. Maybe you’re questioning your career, your marriage, whatever it may be. But there seems to be a lot going on right at this time. I know, for one, I am a woman in midlife, so I know this personally. So it’s a lot to contend with. But I think the… The overall message is to try to make peace with food and peace with your body, no matter where you are at. Things can change. We don’t know what the future holds. But I think having a good, healthy relationship with food first can lower the stress or so many other things. It’s just a place to be able to find some joy.

Speaker #1
Right. Yeah. I mean, it’s a huge challenge. Like you said, the messaging is everywhere and like around anti-aging as well as weight loss. And I think the importance of having people around you who have a similar mindset is critical because, you know, I don’t know about you, but pretty much every day that I interact with people, especially women. I’m hearing people criticize their bodies and worrying about food and weight. And if they’re exercising enough or, you know, at our age, are they doing enough weight training? And I mean, there’s just there’s always something right that we’re trying to. It’s this perfectionist aspect. I know that’s me, you know, always trying to be perfect, trying to get it right, trying to improve myself. And there’s good things about that. but being able to relax and let go a bit. I mean, this is like, this is the second half of our life. Like, how do we want to spend it? Do we want to be worried about those kinds of things? Or do we want to be focused on what? really makes us happy and brings us joy and nourishes us. And I think the more that we can put our attention on those things, the less we worry about our physical appearance. But it’s not easy. And, you know, having support, having a coach or having a group like I do a discussion group on ditching diet culture. And those conversations are so nourishing because you realize, okay, there’s other people that actually have this same way of thinking, are trying to shift their mindset. And I think community is key, because you can’t do it by yourself. I don’t think, I think it’s really hard because like you said, we’re swimming in this diet culture that’s giving us the opposite messages constantly.

Speaker #0
Yeah. I mean, like I said before, I think it’s like a… it’s almost like radical to just be okay with our bodies and food. It’s like, if you’re not complaining about it, something’s wrong. You know, we’re all, we’re all like programmed to like, not like how we look and want to change and how can we look younger? And it’s, yeah, it is kind of an uphill battle, but I think having things like groups and And… outlets for people to talk about it, to make people feel like they’re not alone.

Speaker #1
Yeah.

Speaker #0
It’s so important. It’s the reason why I do my podcast. I mean, it’s, you know, I want to know people to know that they’re just not alone and what they’re feeling about certain things that they might be ashamed to even talk about. So I had a question though about emotional eating because I have clients who definitely contend with a lot of emotional eating, secret eating, you know, they’re maybe strict on the outside and they’re doing things when no one’s watching, you know, and, and, you know, late night eating and everything. Why do you think that we emotionally eat?

Speaker #1
Yeah. Okay. This is a big question. And I know it’s a big question.

Speaker #0
We could talk all day just about this. I ever Totally. But no,

Speaker #1
I mean, I… I don’t think there’s just like I believe about our body in general. Like there’s no emotional eating is not a problem. The problem is that the way that we, we think about it, we, we feel shame around it. Right. If you think about just the term emotional eating, we’re eating our emotions. No, most, most of us never really learned how to. be in touch with our feelings and how to express them normally, you know, and healthily. So we stuff them. And I know in my family growing up, food was love. And so it’s a pretty common strategy when we’re stressed and when we’re feeling strong emotions that we’re not able to express that we eat, that we go to food. And so I think the way to… focus on that is to really be embodied, to really be present when we’re eating, whether we’re overeating or emotionally eating or whatever you want to call it. Because that’s the only way we’re going to get in touch with what’s actually going on. I mean, most of us have strategies to avoid dealing with our strong emotions. And with food, it’s perfect because we can focus on this every single day. We can’t live without food. So it’s a great one to help us address this issue of becoming more present with our emotions and really focusing on what we’re feeling in any given moment. And so if you have a situation where you just, oh, I just was emotionally eating or I feel bad about that, or I was binging or… overeating, whatever it is, even if you can’t do it in that moment to afterwards, really think about, okay, I wonder what was going on there. Like what just happened right before that incident? Did I just have a fight with someone? Am I having some problems at work or interaction with my kids or, you know, it could be whatever it is that’s going on, but just getting in touch with that. I think being Thank you.

Speaker #0
present to our emotions is the key with that issue and so many other issues. Usually, so many of us are not actually present when we’re eating. We’re multitasking, we’re on our phone, we’re watching TV, or we’re actually not eating when we’re eating. So I think that being present and just tuning into our bodies and Seeing what’s going on is the key with that. And just seeing all of these challenges with food and body and weight as just being teachers and trying to give us messages about what we actually need to learn and seeing it in a really positive light, even though it’s painful. So I’m not saying it’s easy, but that’s my short answer take on emotional eating. but yeah

Speaker #1
Yeah, I grew up the same. I mean, food was love, you know, was definitely a mantra. Food was also just coping, you know, going through a couple of really hard, traumatic things when I was a child and learning how to like gravitate towards food and feeling very comforted by it. And I also had another side of my family that was, it was just food was. love. I mean, you just, we bonded over food, you know, so there was good emotions as well. But I also had to learn to, to write, to take the emotion out of food. You know, I mean, food was, you know, to learn how to physically identify my hunger and then that’s when to eat rather than, I mean, we, we eat for so many. reasons. I mean, we eat to bond over food, we eat to celebrate, we eat to, you know, all those good things, but to not rely on food to help me soothe my emotions.

Speaker #0
Right.

Speaker #1
And, and then I think, and it’s not like it never happens. And, you know, all people do this all the time, but I think you mentioned something just having like the awareness or just looking at, like, if it does happen, then to just look at it almost with neutrality, right? And I like to think of it as just like being curious about it, just taking a look at it, not getting mad at yourself or hating yourself or beating yourself up or, you know, it’s just, it’s just something that happened and to forgive yourself, right? And just start, we start again.

Speaker #0
Right. I mean, all of the coping mechanisms that we have developed, You develop for a really good reason. I mean. they protected us, especially when we were little, right? And maybe to some extent, still to this day, right? So having that compassion is really important. And if you want to try to shift some of those strategies, I think the first step is just looking at it and see, well, why do I do this? What’s the purpose of it? There’s always a good reason. And maybe there. you’re meeting a need. So are there other ways that you can get that need met? But maybe it’s for comfort, you know, or just even connecting with yourself. So yeah, there’s a lot to be learned from it. Yeah,

Speaker #1
I mean, we can identify boredom. I mean, right, it doesn’t just have to be these like dark emotions, but a lot of the clients that I see, they’re just bored, they’re rewarding themselves at the end of the day. Right. It’s been a really hard work day and I’m going to give myself eating, you know, as a reward.

Speaker #0
Yeah.

Speaker #1
So it’s yeah, it can be it’s multifaceted.

Speaker #0
Absolutely.

Speaker #1
Eating for emotional reasons and then distinguishing how to then eat for physical reasons, because we definitely want to honor that hunger. Right. And eat when we are physically hungry and not ignore that. That’s dieting. Right. That’s… That’s something different and we don’t want to do that. So, I mean, I think overall what we’re talking about, there’s a lot, there’s challenges, right? With food and our body image and weight. And what do you think that this all teaches us, you know, as we’re working and trying to make peace with food? And just as a final deep question, what, you know, what can this all really teach us?

Speaker #0
Yeah, I mean. There’s so many things, but I think for me, I think self-compassion is a big one, right? We’re so judgmental of ourselves, of other people. Um, and I think weight is a perfect one to teach self-compassion because if we can’t love ourselves exactly as we are right now, we’re not going to love ourselves later. Like if we are in that smaller body or whatever it is that we want to change about ourselves, um, we have to love ourselves right now. And if gaining a little bit of weight is what’s going to help us teach it to help us learn that. Um, It’s a great lesson. And so just seeing it that way, you know, loving ourselves unconditionally is difficult. Most of us did not get that growing up. Not to the fault of our parents because they didn’t get it either. But maybe that’s part of what we’re here to learn in this lifetime. And maybe as we get older, this is the time.

Speaker #1
Yeah, I know. It’s a big, it was a big question. But I think the overall takeaway, like you had said, is the self-compassion and kindness that we can infuse in ourselves, especially when we have been conditioned and programmed as women from childhood, being a teenager, to be very hard on ourselves, harden our bodies, be on a diet, not like ourselves and how we look, what we’re eating. So I think that is. the ultimate takeaway is to really try to cultivate some self-compassion for ourselves. Joanne, thank you so much. This has been a really great conversation. I could talk all day about body image, making peace with food. Like I said, this is what my whole podcast is about. So I, you know, I really appreciate you coming on and, and taking your time to talk about this. So So how can people get… in touch with you if they want to learn more about you?

Speaker #0
My website is the best place and it’s just my name, Joanne Edinburgh, J O A N N E E D I N B E R G.com. And there’s information about my one-on-one coaching program. I have a 12 week program to transform your relationship with food body um i we do our our book club slash uh discussion group on ditching diet culture, and I’m starting to offer that on Zoom. So yeah, be happy to set up a call if you’re interested in talking more. And thank you so much for having me. It’s been really great.

Speaker #1
Great. Thank you so much for coming on. I will post all of those links in the show notes so people can access it that way. And again, thank you so much, I really appreciate it. And keep up the good work. And as always, if you loved this podcast, please consider gifting me with a five-star review. It is so helpful for me to get the word out on real eating, our real bodies, and real food stories. Thank you so much and have a great week. Bye for now.